peroni
5:12 Sun Apr 26
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Fifth Column
"Can you prove or even explain what happened before the universe was formed? When did "time" commence?"
No, not yet, but we're going to keep probing, investigating, theorising, proving and disproving and maybe one day we will.
It's insane, in the absence of such knowledge, to believe in a concept which hasn't a shred of evidence to support it.
If you believe in God, you're either indoctrinated, severely troubled, scraed of death, or just a bit simple.
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zico
5:10 Sun Apr 26
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Watched an interview with Ricky Gervais about atheism. Interestingly (and I can't remember the exact figures) he said something like there are roughly 4200 religions in the world. Every religion doesn't believe in 4199 other gods. He doesn't believe in 4200 of them so only one more than someone who is religious!! Fair play!
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mashed in maryland
4:56 Sun Apr 26
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Fifth Column 3:48 Sun Apr 26
Atheism =/= big bang theory
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Eerie Descent
4:35 Sun Apr 26
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"Atheism is based fundamentally on a range of unprovable beliefs just as theism is"
No it's not. That is an astonishing claim.
With respect, what you have posted there is complete and utter bollocks. If it's based on anything, its the complete opposite of what you say.
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Fifth Column
3:48 Sun Apr 26
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Come On You Irons
There is no burden of proof for theists to prove anything, anymore than there is a burden of proof for atheists to prove anything. I'm not trying to get you to believe anything.
Can I empirically prove the existence of a higher power? No. Can you prove or even explain what happened before the universe was formed? When did "time" commence? No you can't. Atheism is based fundamentally on a range of unprovable beliefs just as theism is.
I do agree that a literal interpretation of most holy books is at odds with scientific evidence in relation to evolution but then I don't interpret them as books of science and rather things that give moral guidance when taken as a whole.
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mashed in maryland
3:44 Sun Apr 26
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Mistyped.
Meant the well meaning folk naively being ok with it.
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mashed in maryland
3:43 Sun Apr 26
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"for good people to do evil - that takes religion"
Define "religion"? Guarantee you the nonces pushing stuff like drag queen story hour etc mostly consider themselves atheists.
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Barty
3:43 Sun Apr 26
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I like this thread me, interesting opinions and debate...
According to this theory we are all prisoners here on earth !
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2020/04/where-are-we-really-from-the-bizarre-theory-of-the-prison-planet/?fbclid=IwAR3lHzlb8-CCD7trG-St_a3nR_MQaXH20Bsh88QlTc2f2pqe2GszILl2Fuw
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Eerie Descent
3:39 Sun Apr 26
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"But, generally speaking, I find religious people to be a lot more positive, generally happier, and often just better people than most vocally non-religious people"
Hahaha
You do come out with some shit at times, mim.
One thing I find intriguing, when people go mental, proper Broadmore mental, they always seems to have a religious angle to their ramblings.
Anyway...
"People can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."
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mashed in maryland
3:20 Sun Apr 26
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I'm atheist. In so much as I dunno if there's life after death or a God and tbh I don't really care.
But, generally speaking, I find religious people to be a lot more positive, generally happier, and often just better people than most vocally non-religious people. I don't care who this pisses off.
There has also unquestionably been a void left by the running down of Christianity in the west and I'm not too sure those celebrating it will be too happy with the sorts of things that could fill it.
Dawkins himself even said something similar once.
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Far Cough
3:12 Sun Apr 26
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easthammer, interesting premise, that may work for living, sentient beings but it doesn't work very well with a few exceptions, in particle physics.
I may have to dig out a copy of Fritjof Capra's Tao of Physics to see if it can be reconciled in there?
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gph
3:06 Sun Apr 26
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Ahhh, an explanation that finally explains why people are so keen on drinking tea, one of the great mysteries of being.
There is no God but the Teapot,
And Russell is his prophet
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easthammer
2:49 Sun Apr 26
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Sven
As a person who believes there is a loving God, I think you make a perfectly valid call that it is incumbent upon people like me to explain why terrible things exist and happen in this world. For many years I struggled with this. I did eventually find an explanation which makes sense to me.
It was put forward by a man of science and statistician in the 1980s in a book called "The God of Chance" by D J Bartholomew. (It used to be available online for free download)
I wouldn't do it justice here as it is a long carefully developed argument ( including statistical arguments). However, at the heart of it is the idea that God has created a universe in which all things are possible and as God is not a deterministic Puppeteer just jerking us around while knowing the final outcome.
He has allowed for, indeed created "Chance" as part of an existence in which all things are possible.
The idea that God might be quite so deterministic as many believers choose to think isn't without controversy as I am sure you can appreciate.
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Sven Roeder
12:52 Sun Apr 26
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Look, centuries of giving kids cancer or starving them to death gets a bit SAMEY after a while.
Understandably God likes to take a break and choke a few OAP’s to death for a change.
He is still keeping up his sexual abuse of children through his business outlets , sorry churches, as he enjoys that.
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Nurse Ratched
12:50 Sun Apr 26
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"Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time"
Russell's teapot analogy.
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peroni
12:47 Sun Apr 26
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If there is a God, he's a bit of a nasty cunt isn't he?
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Ronald_antly
12:45 Sun Apr 26
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"I could proclaim that there is a planet mirroring ours out there in the universe that is identical to Earth with humans loving on it but people would laugh me off ..."
I certainly laughed at the typo.
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Come On You Irons
12:41 Sun Apr 26
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Fifth Column, the burden of proof is on those proclaiming there is a God with no empirical evidence that such a God or afterlife exists. I could proclaim that there is a planet mirroring ours out there in the universe that is identical to Earth with humans loving on it but people would laugh me off and think I'm mad with no evidence to support such a claim. This is analalgous to people proclaiming there is a God and afterlife with no a priori evidence to support such claims.
People that continue to believe in God in the 21st Century in this age of science and technology are simply deluded, as Richard Dawkins put it.
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Nurse Ratched
12:40 Sun Apr 26
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"Whenever you read any discussion about God there are frequently people who say "I don't believe in God but I do believe in... the soul/I'm spiritual and can connect to a wider force/that there is some power that can't be explained by science" etc"
Yeah. They're divvy, too.
What's your point?
There are just loads of credulous divs walking the earth.
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Fifth Column
12:31 Sun Apr 26
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Yes I do believe in life after death. I don't believe it's restricted to only one faith and I believe that humans can't fully comprehend the word of God so they take quran, torah, Bible etc too literally in everything Inc in description of heaven and hell.
Whenever you read any discussion about God there are frequently people who say "I don't believe in God but I do believe in... the soul/I'm spiritual and can connect to a wider force/that there is some power that can't be explained by science" etc. There are even a couple of people on this thread. Those people do then believe in God in some manner they just don't subscribe to a religion.
Religious belief can't be proven but then atheists also cannot empirically prove there is no good. There is an element of "faith" in any view you hold on the subject.
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Darlo Debs
12:11 Sun Apr 26
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Dan M.that made me laugh..
..and on a similar note....I believe in a Thing Called Love
Does that count?
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